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		<title>EroticBPM: Killshot Opens Up About Zivity, Paypal, Patents, and the Decline of DIY Creativity.</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Killshot, altporn O.G. and long time friend of APN, who has been running EroticBPM for nearly a decade, worked with Fatal Beauty, and also launched SpicePlay in 2004, shared his thoughts on the latest heavily funded venture in the altporn user generated content adult membership site category, Zivity. His points on PayPal and the inherent [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killshot, altporn O.G. and long time friend of APN,  who has been running <a href="https://altporn.net/link/eroticbpm.php" target="_blank">EroticBPM</a> for nearly a decade, worked with <a href="https://altporn.net/index.php?s=FatalBeauty:">Fatal Beauty</a>, and also launched <a href="https://altporn.net/index.php?s=Spiceplay:">SpicePlay</a> in 2004, shared his thoughts on the latest heavily funded venture in the altporn user generated content adult membership site category, <a href="https://altporn.net/link/zivity.php" target="_blank">Zivity</a>. His points on PayPal and the inherent issues of unfair competition raise some real questions. A lot of people, particularly in the DIY adult site community lost a lot of money when PayPal suddenly radically changed it&#8217;s rules on adult sales and many of them are still reasonably bitter on the point. We have some questions as well about how models and photographers can get excited to contribute for free to a site that might eventually give them a potential payout based on traffic and popularity they have to generate for themselves by spamming their friends for &#8216;votes&#8217; when they could easily make more money simply joining the affiliate programs of nearly any other altporn site and promoting just as hard. Killshot also points out some interesting similarities Zivity has with his Spiceplay site, which we miss a lot. It had some great interactive features and some really innovative ways of sharing the wealth with it&#8217;s participants.</p>
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  <strong><a href="https://altporn.net/link/eroticbpm.php" target="_blank">Killshot of EroticBPM writes</a>:</strong></p>
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Lately I have been hearing more and more about Zivity, a new adult site that pretends not to be an adult site. I largely ignored it even after seeing a few mentions by some members here at <a href="https://altporn.net/link/eroticbpm.php" target="_blank">Ebpm</a>. Then I heard some more details from a friend and started to check into it more.</p>
<p>I signed up for a beta account and got access a couple days later. I looked around a bit and was not really impressed because parts of it as even <a href="http://fleshbot.com/387450/deep-inside-zivity-what-kind-of-porn-site-does-7-million-buy" target="_blank">fleshbot</a> noticed seemed pretty similar to what I did with <a href="https://altporn.net/index.php?s=Spiceplay:">spiceplay</a>. (Sharing revenue with models based on members giving credits to models or each other.) And they even have a patent pending on that.</p>
<p>Yeah there are some pretty girls, some of them are naked, some of them are not, and there is all the basic social features you can expect to have. But nothing else really notable.</p>
<p>The thing that caught my eye the most was the fact that they take paypal. Most people wouldn&#8217;t think twice about that. But talk to anyone in the adult biz and you will probably hear the same story about their account getting banned. Or you may even hear stories about paypal once upon a time courting the business of adult websites (myself included) only to ban them all a few months later when Ebay bought them out.</p>
<p>So why does Zivity get a free pass?<br />
Well, it turns out that Founders Fund and Blue Run Ventures put up the $8 Million in VC funding to get Zivity started. The same people behind paypal and numerous other tech startups. And the people behind Zivity is quite impressive.</p>
<p>Jon Elvekrog &#8211; CEO<br />
According to his bio on Zivity, he has worked for HP, TIBCO, Volex, and helped build LinkExchange</p>
<p>Scott Banister &#8211; Chairman and Co-Founder<br />
Founder of ListBot which sold to Microsoft<br />
VP of Idealab &#8211; sold to AOL<br />
Co-Founder of Ironport &#8211; Sold to Cisco for $830 million</p>
<p>Cyan Banister &#8211; Co Founder and Editor in Chief<br />
Scott Banister&#8217;s wife &#8211; Details on her background are lacking<br />
*edit* Cyan was kind enough to link me to her linkedin profile. She was a senior manager at IronPort and has had a successful career in recruiting for bay area startups. */edit*</p>
<p>Jeffrey Wescott &#8211; Co Founder<br />
Former Ironport engineer</p>
<p>Jordan Ritter &#8211; CTO<br />
Napster Co Founder<br />
Cloudmark CTO<br />
Columbia Music Entertainment CTO</p>
<p>John Manoogian III &#8211; Director of User Experience and Product Design<br />
Worked at Organic Inc<br />
Designed Yahoo&#8217;s homepage and UI<br />
Claims to have invented social bookmarking</p>
<p>So why is this a big deal to me?</p>
<p>The fact that they can use paypal and no other adult company can is only a minor annoyance.</p>
<p>The fact that they are attempting to patent something that is neither new or innovative is a little more concerning and makes sense coming from an industry that is increasingly patenting anything obvious just for the sake of having a large patent portfolio and then suing people.</p>
<p>Non Obvious innovations that took hard work to develop certainly deserve to be patented for a period of time. Obvious patents only serve to stifle innovation and end up doing far more harm than good.</p>
<p>However, the biggest thing that has me going is why are they doing this? Why would all these people decide to get into the adult business? If the VC investors hope to see their money back. Zivity would likely need to maintain a paid membership of over 100,000 users. I really don&#8217;t see them lasting long.</p>
<p>However, if they are successful. I feel that it will be another sad day for all the creative people out there who don&#8217;t have access to piles of money but have plenty of amazing ideas.</p>
<p>Part of what makes the internet great is the ability to share ideas, art, and collaborate with other people to create new things. When big companies and big money comes along and lock down ideas with patents and further stifle creativity by throwing so much money at their project that other people do not even get noticed. Well, it makes the internet less diverse, it puts a lot of money in the hands of a few people, and it certainly takes away a lot of the fun.</p>
<p>Maybe I would feel better if Zivity had come along and done something truly different. But I just don&#8217;t see it.
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