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Zivity: Shedding Investment

by Cutter : August 3rd, 2009 : add a comment (3 so far) »

Alt/ArtPorn site Zivity is losing a sizable chunk of their initial investment support. Zivity garnered a lot of attention with it’s widely reported $7 million+ in seed money provided by self described ‘mainstream’ tech investors and venture capitalists. The ‘web 2.0′ site, which relies heavily on models to submit content and then create their own buzz in the hopes of earning themselves an eventual payout based on popularity they generate for themselves, rather than opting for a more traditional affiliate sales structure, has not been as wildly successful as had originally been speculated. Their current Quantified (directly measured) monthly visitors measure out to equal 17.5K people (US) 26.2K (Global). By comparison APN currently measures 32.9K people (US) 66.5K (Global). Those are all directly measured quantified results, which are known to be more reliable than most other traffic measures, especially when being directly compared. So, in order to earn out for their investors more quickly, they have diversified their projects, money, and staff to generate more winners. According to industry sources AVN, XBiz, et al., $3 million of their remaining $4 million and 65% of their current staff are being split off to pursue the success of their new mainstream tabloid TopFans.com site, as well as some MySpace games and applications.

I’ve always found the Zivity business structure curious, along with the handful of girls that promote it. Nearly every one of the top AltPorn sites pays out at least 50% of sales generated by standard affiliate promotion and some of them give an even higher percentage payout to their models who promote their own appearances. They all pay out in just a couple of weeks too. This has always sounded like a much better deal than the the overly complicated and slow system Zivity offers. So, it’s not really a big surprise to me that they landed themselves about mid-list at best.

By the way, if anyone has $5 to $7 million burning a hole in their Ed Hardy’s and wants a successful hot new art/altporn site, hit us up. We’ll hook you up. Talk to me in the next two weeks and I’m authorized to cut it to maybe $1.5mil*.

Zivity: Shedding Investment

EroticBPM: Killshot Opens Up About Zivity, Paypal, Patents, and the Decline of DIY Creativity.

by AltPorn : January 30th, 2009 : add a comment (2 so far) »

Killshot, altporn O.G. and long time friend of APN, who has been running EroticBPM for nearly a decade, worked with Fatal Beauty, and also launched SpicePlay in 2004, shared his thoughts on the latest heavily funded venture in the altporn user generated content adult membership site category, Zivity. His points on PayPal and the inherent issues of unfair competition raise some real questions. A lot of people, particularly in the DIY adult site community lost a lot of money when PayPal suddenly radically changed it’s rules on adult sales and many of them are still reasonably bitter on the point. We have some questions as well about how models and photographers can get excited to contribute for free to a site that might eventually give them a potential payout based on traffic and popularity they have to generate for themselves by spamming their friends for ‘votes’ when they could easily make more money simply joining the affiliate programs of nearly any other altporn site and promoting just as hard. Killshot also points out some interesting similarities Zivity has with his Spiceplay site, which we miss a lot. It had some great interactive features and some really innovative ways of sharing the wealth with it’s participants.

Killshot of EroticBPM writes:

Lately I have been hearing more and more about Zivity, a new adult site that pretends not to be an adult site. I largely ignored it even after seeing a few mentions by some members here at Ebpm. Then I heard some more details from a friend and started to check into it more.

I signed up for a beta account and got access a couple days later. I looked around a bit and was not really impressed because parts of it as even fleshbot noticed seemed pretty similar to what I did with spiceplay. (Sharing revenue with models based on members giving credits to models or each other.) And they even have a patent pending on that.

Yeah there are some pretty girls, some of them are naked, some of them are not, and there is all the basic social features you can expect to have. But nothing else really notable.

The thing that caught my eye the most was the fact that they take paypal. Most people wouldn’t think twice about that. But talk to anyone in the adult biz and you will probably hear the same story about their account getting banned. Or you may even hear stories about paypal once upon a time courting the business of adult websites (myself included) only to ban them all a few months later when Ebay bought them out.

So why does Zivity get a free pass?
Well, it turns out that Founders Fund and Blue Run Ventures put up the $8 Million in VC funding to get Zivity started. The same people behind paypal and numerous other tech startups. And the people behind Zivity is quite impressive.

Jon Elvekrog – CEO
According to his bio on Zivity, he has worked for HP, TIBCO, Volex, and helped build LinkExchange

Scott Banister – Chairman and Co-Founder
Founder of ListBot which sold to Microsoft
VP of Idealab – sold to AOL
Co-Founder of Ironport – Sold to Cisco for $830 million

Cyan Banister – Co Founder and Editor in Chief
Scott Banister’s wife – Details on her background are lacking
*edit* Cyan was kind enough to link me to her linkedin profile. She was a senior manager at IronPort and has had a successful career in recruiting for bay area startups. */edit*

Jeffrey Wescott – Co Founder
Former Ironport engineer

Jordan Ritter – CTO
Napster Co Founder
Cloudmark CTO
Columbia Music Entertainment CTO

John Manoogian III – Director of User Experience and Product Design
Worked at Organic Inc
Designed Yahoo’s homepage and UI
Claims to have invented social bookmarking

So why is this a big deal to me?

The fact that they can use paypal and no other adult company can is only a minor annoyance.

The fact that they are attempting to patent something that is neither new or innovative is a little more concerning and makes sense coming from an industry that is increasingly patenting anything obvious just for the sake of having a large patent portfolio and then suing people.

Non Obvious innovations that took hard work to develop certainly deserve to be patented for a period of time. Obvious patents only serve to stifle innovation and end up doing far more harm than good.

However, the biggest thing that has me going is why are they doing this? Why would all these people decide to get into the adult business? If the VC investors hope to see their money back. Zivity would likely need to maintain a paid membership of over 100,000 users. I really don’t see them lasting long.

However, if they are successful. I feel that it will be another sad day for all the creative people out there who don’t have access to piles of money but have plenty of amazing ideas.

Part of what makes the internet great is the ability to share ideas, art, and collaborate with other people to create new things. When big companies and big money comes along and lock down ideas with patents and further stifle creativity by throwing so much money at their project that other people do not even get noticed. Well, it makes the internet less diverse, it puts a lot of money in the hands of a few people, and it certainly takes away a lot of the fun.

Maybe I would feel better if Zivity had come along and done something truly different. But I just don’t see it.

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Zivity: Apnea Can Has Schwing

by Cutter : January 23rd, 2009 : Add a Comment »

Beautiful photographic muse Apnea has demonstrated her charming power to move the masses again with her recently posted Zivity collaboration with SuperCult’s Chase Lisbon. Their photographic contribution has not only broken the site’s all time record for most set votes within a 24 hour period, it has also now received more votes than any other set ever posted to the site. I have some reservations about very heavily funded UGC membership sites that not only pay for their content contributions based on ‘votes’ (traffic) you as a contributor manage to get yourself by doing their promotion work for them, but also also manage to deliver that payout significantly after they get to use your contribution. People seem excited about the system, but I know a few alt models that have made more money than this set will probably eventually pay out, simply by signing up for the affiliate programs of the alt sites their sets go up on and doing the same sort of self promotion, and they get paid faster too. Anyway, it is good to see Apnea really making a power statement and these really are some very sexy stylish photos deserving of accolade.

Zivity: Apnea Nude

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